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Rose Pranger
Covington, KY


Very good idea, I'm anxious to read some of the letters. I grew up during the ww ll era.
James C. Buck Sr. <jbuck@tnaccess.com>
Algood, Tn USA - Monday, February 01, 1999 at 23:31:07 (EST)
Thanks for showing me what my grandparents lived through and fought for. I teach high school students and I will be using your sight in referance to Saving Private Ryan, a movie my students have seen this summer, to help them realize the way war effects all involved, not just the soldier. God bless you for all you have given to this generation and many more to come.
Gigi Tharpe <gtharpe@denton.isd.tenet.edu>
Denton, TX USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 23:19:57 (EST)
I was on my way to the war with Japan when my second daughter was born. She was two years old before I saw her. I am thankful. Some did not ever see their children again.
Bob Hughey <VolWRMCBob>
Farmington, ARI was on my way USA - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 01:30:07 (EST)
I've never been much of a war buff (Having been born in the 50's, my generation spent it's time protesting war) but I enjoyed your site very much. It was great to listen to the music of the eara while reading. If I could make a minor suggestion, a site map would help out. I want to make sure I didn't miss anything! I found you through Project Cool. Thanks for your wonderful efforts!
Andrea Mountain <amountain@bizhost.com>
Marblehead, MA USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 16:08:22 (EST)

A Note From Rose
Rose

Andrea, thank you for your suggestion of a site map. This is one of the features we are going to add to the site this year. Initially our project began in December 1997 as a small site, featuring a few of our favorite letters. However, it has grown by leaps and bounds since then, thanks to the wonderful feedback from people just like you.


Great site. Brings back a FLOOD of WWII memories ! Keep up the great work. We're old but we ain't gone yet ! Tell it like it WAS ! God bless you all .
Ray Herrington <rayh@iglou.com>
Jeffersonville, IN USA - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 03:13:53 (EST)
your page is very well designed.and the content also has historical values. thank you.
radha guha <radha@soumit.com>
anaheim, ca USA - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 16:23:01 (EST)
Very impressive
J. van Nies <v.nies-doets@introweb.nl>
Rotterdam, Netherlands - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 10:00:45 (EST)
What a great tribute you have givin to the soldiers of the past and to the soldiers of the present. I will pass this on to others.
Cindy Briggs <uncivilone@worldnet.att.net>
Edgewood, Ky USA - Wednesday, January 27, 1999 at 17:09:25 (EST)
i love how everyone fought for the counrty and i honour all who fought i feel a war hero is someone who fights for the counrty to free us all to me my war hero would have to be my grandfather Jim Brown. He lived to tell how it was and to help me with the understanding of how things were to me he has helped me with my social studies homework and even though he has now passed on i will always remeber him and i will always love him. He was proud of what he did and i comemorate all who fought I would like to thank all the war heros weather they be passed away or not THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Randi Brown <51190613@3web.net>
Airdrie, alb Canada - Tuesday, January 26, 1999 at 14:04:18 (EST)
I just came across your site on the Internet Wire service. I'm looking forward to it, from the perspective of living over here in Tokyo. I am an active member of the Navy League Chapter in Tokyo. Regards, John Mark Lavelle
John Mark Lavelle <jmlavelle@yahoo.com>
Tokyo, Japan - Monday, January 25, 1999 at 22:35:38 (EST)
Liked your page.
Melissa Samolyk <MSamolyk@hotmail.com>
Belgium, WI USA - Monday, January 25, 1999 at 19:25:49 (EST)
My father flew gliders in WWII and I have much memorabilia. My knowledge of the war is nil and I would like to learn more about it and what he did there. I am the oldest remaining family member so I have no one to ask. I'm glad I found your site!
jerre purvis <jerre@fidnet.com>
Owensville, mo USA - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 12:43:52 (EST)
As so many WW vets are becoming older, I feel we should take advantage of learning from their recollections. Thank you.
Mary <brettm@fidnet.com>
MO USA - Saturday, January 23, 1999 at 15:46:26 (EST)
I think that this is a great site!! From me thank you for putting it here, and thank you to all the people who contribute to it!!
Joelene Mills <11220531@3web.net>
Calgary, AB Canada - Saturday, January 23, 1999 at 00:29:26 (EST)
Good idea very interesting
keith page <kpage@lineone>
Dartford, Kent United Kingdom - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 15:10:22 (EST)
Just now logging on to your site. I joined the Army 9/15/38, Served in the 55th. C.A.C. at Fort Kamehameha, HI. until Jan. 1941. Off to Italy in the Army Air Force during the War
Hope F. Wilmer <hfw@sprynet.com>
Huntington, WV USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 08:12:45 (EST)
This is a very interesting site.
Angela Barns <Abarns@qcnet.net>
Camden, MI USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 01:17:12 (EST)
What an incredible site! From the first time I heard stories from my Grandfather and read the old letters, I have been fascinated with the "human side" of WWII. Certainly it was here that we won the war! Keep up the good work. You are preserving a part of history that my generation can only know through your words and works!
Jonathan Smith <jonedsmt@texhoma.com>
Duncan, OK USA - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 01:15:34 (EST)
My dad was in WWII. He was a medic in Europe, and helped to liberate Dachau. He never talked about it very much. When I was younger, I read nearly everything I could find on WWII. I am still fascinated by it. From this point in history, 1944 seems so innocent, and the world so young...
chuck butchart <chollymonnshi@juno.com>
Jackson, mi USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 23:02:20 (EST)
What a wonderful site this is!
Al O'Konski AIA <AOKonski@LeoADaly.com>
Washington, DC USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 22:35:20 (EST)
I was a Canadian soldier who visited the U.S.A. in 1946. A US. airman taught me how to hitch hike on aeroplanes. I flew to Texas on a B.25 Mitchel bomber, then hiked to Florida, then flew to Ohio,then to Washington. I even flew on a B.17 Flying Fortress for coffee and donuts from Ohio to Chicago and back. I must say that I was treated like royalty. Thanks again for a wonderfull time.
clifford O"neill <coneill@niagara.com>
st.catharines, ont Canada - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:58:59 (EST)
My father is a WWII veteran, he has many memories, and often shares with his five children, of which I am the oldest. He was on the LST 655, was instrumental in starting the WWII reunions of this ship at our country home in rural western NY. We kids all pitched in with the planning, cooking and entertaining for the three to five days all the guests camped in the yard. Now the reunions are a bit more elaborate, fancy hotels and accomodations as the group of fellas gets older. Dad's present connections with his fellow sailors are his best memories and friends once again. I am fortunate to have a Dad who helped guarantee me and mine a safe place to live. contact my Dad at adepw550@webtv.net. He is a real great guy and would welcome anyone who wants to share stories.
Jody L. Shaw <jodys@utec.net>
Perrysburg, NY USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:41:25 (EST)
Just came across your page listed as "Today's Link" on my home page. I never pass up a chance to thank a veteran and his/her family for their sacrifices.God bless you all. Jeff.
Jeff Miller
MILLEDGEVILLE, GA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:32:37 (EST)
Great website!
Giles Jackson <judgexxl@gate.net>
Waycross, GA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:07:32 (EST)
I was a young man during WWII, and this site is of interest to me.
John Riley <jonlou@pinn.net>
Manteo, NC USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:05:33 (EST)
Thanks for the great site. My dad was in WW II in the Army Air Corps. I have a few of his letters from the Pacific. I remember vaguely some of the things of the war era - I was only a small child. This past summer I visited the American Cemetery in Luxembourg while on a tour. Saw the grave of General Patton and the rows and rows of crosses. The dates were all from the fall of '44 and the winter of '45 - the Battle of the Bulge. It was very moving. Thanks, again for all your work on this site.
Sally A
Washington, MI USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 21:02:45 (EST)
It's nice to see where the memories are kept.
Michael Moody <51050655@3web.net>
Carstairs, Alberta Canada - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 20:57:42 (EST)
Very educational. Im a teacher and Ill have my students visit this site! My fiance is in the air force (RCAF) and he'll love it!
Kirsty Hales <HALESKM@hotmail.com>
USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 20:32:24 (EST)
my mom and dad both are both my wwII heros. mom was in the army air corps and dad was a tanker
steve phillips <Dsphill@msn>
hamersville, oh USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 20:05:10 (EST)
This is great. I am forwarding this site on to my Dad and will share it with my husband!
Dian Stowell <nd500@wans.net>
Las Vegas, NV USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 19:30:50 (EST)
My Grandfather and his brothers fought in WWII, though they never really spoke of their experiences. They are gone now but not forgotten.
Robert Doggett <tevis@bhakail.org>
Philadelphia, PA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 18:33:04 (EST)
Hi, My mom was a sargeant in the French Air Force and she was in the French resistance. She still lives the war every day. I would love for her to be able to connect with some others who have experienced what she did. There's only so much "war" I can listen to then I go blank. Really, I worry about her because she seems so obsessed with it. We can't even have a normal relationship because of it. Don't mean to dump. I'm just frustrated ! HELP !!!!!
Jayne Powell <jypowell@apex.net>
Paducah, Ky. USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 18:03:24 (EST)

A Note From Rose
Rose

Jayne, I understand your frustration. The war affected a lot of people in a lot of different ways. In our case, Art didn't talk about the war all that much with our kids. Of course, we have seven children altogether... so when he did decide to talk, he never bent any one ear for too long :-). It wasn't until we started this project that we realized how truly valuable his experiences were to others, and vice versa.

It's important to share these stories while our veterans are still with us.

Is your mother online? If she is, you would be surprised at the number of veterans online she can 'connect' with. If not, perhaps you can print out some of the stories you find at our site and give them to your mother to read. Conversely, why not have your mother write down some of her stories and send them to us for others to share. I'm by no means a therapist, but perhaps this will help.


Just visiting, I was in the 376th Chemical.
Gary Cole <relorkym@msn.com>
Dalton, GA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 17:28:37 (EST)
WWII Vet, U.S. Navy Learned a great deal of what you guys and the nurses did in Stephen Ambrose's "Citizen Soldiers". I thought that every American age 15 and over should see "Saving Private Ryan" to gain some clue of what it was like. Look forward to accessing your site frequently.
John L. Peterson <j_peterson@conknet.com>
Newbury, NH USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 15:21:00 (EST)
What a nice way to share memories for all those of that era who are not retired and PC at home.
Mary Johnson <momcat@inxpress.net>
Stoughtob, Wi USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:57:37 (EST)
Nicely done site. Very valuable. Good job. Chuck Moran Communications Manager Presbyterian Homes Inc. 717-737-3401, ext. 109
Chuck Moran <cmoran@phi-preshomes.org>
Camp Hill, PA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:48:58 (EST)
I've study WWII, for more than 10 years;in Mexico is quite difficult to find reading material or information in that matter. It was a "great surprise" to find your Web Site this morning...CONGRATULATIONS. Love to hear and learn from you.

I'ts hard to choose one Hero...they all were. The most interesting, unique circunstance and fact in my opinion, is that in that particular history period, you find in almost any Nation, around the world, not one, but more than one, "REAL LEADER", or some one that became one aftherward...Nowadays its hard to pin point a figure of such a magnitude...

Anyhow, I'l Choose P. Roosvelt, being a Polio Victim myself, I can easly relate to what kind of "person" He most have being, in order to notwithstanding the Polio, became such transcendental figure in World History. I was 10 months old, when I had Polio; my parents took me to Warm Spring Ga. for medical attention. I lived there for more then 5 or 6 years...I was there when he died; that day, my parents arrived form Mexico to visit me,(wich they did once or twice a year, we lived in México and it was war time), so I've learned from them, what I've seeing latter in movies or TV; the Love and extraordinary relationship that American People had for Him... for their President...I allways say that a live thanks to Him having Polio and being President of U.S.A., because of that, He founded what became the greatest Hospital world wide,and through Polio History, for Polio Victims... Patricia Garza México.
Patricia Garza <garzamaya@hotmail.com>
México, D.F. México - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:30:36 (EST)


This page is great I stummbled apon it while I was surfing the net I love history and what we can learn about it I love the first hand account
Amanda <steppenwolf23@hotmail.com>
waterville, me USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:15:38 (EST)
Nice site, reccomended by MSN!
Kristin Kwasek <Kkwasek>
Pawtucket, RI USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:04:50 (EST)
It is a wonderful thing you are doing. History is more than who signed what treaty. It is the stories of the men and women who sacrifice years of their lives and all too often their lives to make those "big" events happen.
Lee and Paula Strickland <pstrick@ix.netcom.com>
Long Beach, CA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 14:02:26 (EST)
What a great idea!
Michael Zimmermann <mgzimmer@earthlink.net>
Antioch, CA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 13:52:37 (EST)
What a great site. I don't remember the war as I was born in 1942 and had no immediate relatives who served. But my own husband served during the Berlin crisis and you know, the tone of the letters is remarkably similar. I guess things don't change that much. Anyway thanks for the great site. Peace and all good things, Kari
Kari Schreiber <mizkari@frontiernet.net>
Walden, NY USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 13:51:19 (EST)
Thanks!!!
Charles R. Davis <craneyisland@hotmail.com>
Burke, VA USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 13:17:01 (EST)
My father, Clarence 'Mac' McIlrath was a Sergeant in the 301st Ordnance company that served in Europe in 1944 and '45. His brother Edward was in the Air Corps stationed in England where he maintained aircraft engines. Edward was killed in a trucking accident a few years after he returned home from the war. My father passed away in 1991. Many of the members of my father's company continued to get together for annual reunions into the 1990s. His buddies may still be getting together every year. I'd enjoy hearing from people who have memories of my dad.
Darlene Blasing <Darlene.Blasing@digital.com>
Cincinnati, OH USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 13:03:21 (EST)
Dad would enjoy!
Steve Honeycutt <stevehoneycutt@yahoo.com>
Hixson, TN USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 12:49:21 (EST)
I don't have any World War II stories but my husband is a columnist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and a big fan of Ernie Pyle. I have given him the address of your site so he can enjoy as much as other people have. My mother was a child of the WWII in England. She remembers all of the horror from that time but also the great men that fought and gave their lives so that they are a free country today. Keep their memories alive forever. Thanks for your hard work. Here is my husbands website address: dlieber@startext.net. He would love to hear from you.
Karen Lieber <klieber@cormktg.com>
Fort Worth, TX USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 12:42:53 (EST)

A Note From Rose
Rose

Private Art is a big fan of Ernie Pyle as well. We have a special section of our site where we keep all of Art's Ernie Pyle memorabilia. The clippings were saved from our local newspaper by Art's mother, Mary Pranger, and have survived to this very day. Pyle's writings truly served as a lifeline between the men on the front and the families back home.


Your page hit home with me. I spent most of WWII in the Pacific and was also in the so-called "Police Action" in Korea. My father and late wife saved all my letters that I wrote home during these years. Now, I am thinking of passing them on to one of my two sons, but they may not be interested. Thanks for a great "Home Page" Gene
Maj Eugene N. Ball, USA Rt'd <ball@hq.penfed.org>
Alexandria, Va USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 12:15:41 (EST)
As a War baby (born in '44), I have no personal memories of the war itself. My dad was too old to serve, and my brothers, too young. Growing up in post-War America, I took the War for granted as we take electricity for granted--so much a part of the fabric of our lives that we don't think about it, and yet a marvel that changed the world. Only with age and perspective, and with such fine efforts as Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" and your website, do I begin to understand how those men saved the world.
Rosemary Nelson <txnelson@tstar.net>
Burnet, TX USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 12:01:48 (EST)
Enjoyed your website
Joanne Grochala <nanojo@hotmail.com>
Trenton, NJ USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 11:21:44 (EST)
My father was in the 86th. He is not on the internet but I printed this info for him. He will love it, thanks so much. Darrell A. Honeycutt Mayfield Avenue Kingsport TN 37665
steve honeycutt <stevehoneycutt@yahoo.com>
hixson, tn USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 10:35:48 (EST)
My father and his brother were in WWII, my father came home (obviously), but my uncle was killed. My grandmother saved every letter and many newspaper and magazine articles, and I now have them. If you have suggestions as to how I could best archive and/or share these, I would appreciate hearing it. My father served in the South Pacific, my uncle in Europe, where he is buried. I love your web site--thanks for going to all the work to share this with so many people. Suzi Shugert
Suzi Shugert <j121652@aol.com>
Lincoln, NE USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 10:33:44 (EST)
A nice addition to the internet.
Phil Lyon <plyon@ldd.net>
Sikeston, MO USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 07:52:18 (EST)
What a wonderful way to remember the past. My family came from Germany in the 50's. My father a holocaust survivor, liberated by the American's gave me great insight to the war from the other side. My mother's 2 brothers were pilots in the Luftwaffe and were shot down over Russia. My remaining uncle made the march through Russia in the winter before the great war ended. My childhood was filled with stories and this time in history has never failed to facinate. Thank you to those with the forsight to preserve all these memories.
Patricia Koenig Claybaugh <pclaybau@digital.net>
Titusville , FL USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 07:44:43 (EST)
Thanks for doing this, my father and stepfather were in WWII and my mother was German. I never knew my real father, John Richards and am interested in these letters.
Beatrice Hicks <carmelart@hotmail.com>
Plano, TX USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 07:05:24 (EST)
I am about to view this info
tony egan <teganone@alphalink.com.au>
melbourne, vic australia - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 06:58:10 (EST)
As the son of a veteran who has his letters but says "you can read them after I'm gone", I appreciate reading your's. God Bless you in your endeavors!
Steve Richcreek <lt48k9@hotmail.com>
Coshocton, Oh USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 05:26:43 (EST)
My dad William A wright belonged to 372nd National Guard unit from Medford Mass. an all \black unit; which was federalized for service in WWII. He passed on 12/5/98. He was in the phillipines 1944 -1946. ?Bataan Correidor. Would like info. I am his oldest daughter, Former Army Nurse 1980-1990.
Rev Ashanti Wright <revawrightevang@prodigy .net>
Lawnside, , NJ USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 03:46:34 (EST)
I served in several other chemical mortar battalions, in WWII and the Korean War, but not the 86th. However, I have created a website for all chemical mortar battalions at www.4point2.org and of course it includes a page on the 86th. On that page I have included a link to Barb Cooper's website for the 86th (apparently she created that as a Christmas gift to her dad, Bob Moyer, now the main contact for the unit). Now that I have found your site, I will add a link to it on the 86th's page. I hope you will be able to take a look at our new website soon. Then, If you have any information or suggestions, I would certainly like to have them. Thanks for the good job you are doing. Bruce
Bruce Elliott <belliott@conknet.com>
Henniker, NH USA - Sunday, January 17, 1999 at 15:22:13 (EST)
Very nice web site i hope?
Thomas Cobb <TheWinna@webtv.net>
Holliston, Mass USA - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 20:15:37 (EST)
Just found your site while looking for WWII info. I homeschool my three children and we are doing research for a history fair. Our subject is the effects of WWII here at home.
Angela Alexander <EdjuaA@iolok.com>
Broken Arrow, OK USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 23:01:54 (EST)
Very Nice, I really injoyed it.
John Lant <jon-jo@worldnet>att.net>
Jackson, NJ USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 17:20:51 (EST)
My dad was in the 86th. I am working on a web site commemorating the history of his battalion. You can find my site at http://w3.one.net/~bcooper/index86.html. I have included a link to your wonderful site.Please keep up the good work---and if you can give me any suggestions, I will gladly accept it.Thanks.
barb cooper <bcooper@one.net>
cincinnati, oh USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 13:38:56 (EST)
Col Doyle told me about this Website. I wrote a piece for the "Bulge Bugle", the periodical of the "Veterans of the Battle of the Bulge" which told about Comany C, 86th Cml Mtr Bn's part. How can I have it added to youe account?
Harold S. Fischgrund <fischgrd@asonic.net>
Poquoson, VA USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 07:52:36 (EST)

A Note From Rose

Harold Fischgrund sent us his wonderful article which brings us another front line perspective of the Battle of the Bulge.

If you have something to contribute, e-mail us. We can't tell you how much it means to us to have other people contribute to our efforts here. This project is something very dear to Art an I, and with your help, it is all the more special.


this is a wonderful site, I want to thank you for it. I visit it quite often.
ms. G. <audiefan1>
az USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 17:10:58 (EST)
I am looking for infromation the plane spotters located in the USA during WWII. It is my understanding that these were set up in small sheds and manned by civilians. They would watch the sky and call in reports of any airplane activity over their area. I have a friend who has located and is restoring one of the spotter's shed used in Lancaster Pa. I would like to have any information on this as possible. Thank you.
Paul Kadel <pkadel@redrose.net>
Lancaster, PA USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 04:23:30 (EST)
Fascinating!
Faye Ezell <Faye4@aol.com>
Hermitage, TN USA - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 18:08:13 (EST)
USAF 66/69
Reynolds l. Robertson II <RR4YOU@aol.com>
Bethel, OHio USA - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 23:14:04 (EST)
I have a great interest in WWII and have found this sight to give it the personal insight that is needed. Good job. Chris
Chris Crowley <crowley@fidnet.com>
Rolla, MO USA - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 18:17:58 (EST)
Times may have changed, but the love for ones home and family remains the same for those away from home while serving in the military.
DK2 ERIC RIVERA, USN <RIVERA@worldnet.att.net>
Hampton, va USA - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 19:34:53 (EST)
I think you should have more movies and a map of the battlefields with moving images.
Ripper
Heerlen, L Holland - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 06:59:57 (EST)

A Note From Rose

We are very pleased that you enjoyed our new video feature, Home For Christmas. Our first priority is to add the remainder of our letter collection, including scans of the original letters. However, we do have many more interactive features planned. We also have several maps and numerous other artifacts which you can read about on our About Our Project page. Please, keep visiting!


A lot of tim and effort was obviously put into this site, and becuse of which, it is well worth visiting. I will recommend it to my friends who are doing history GCSE, and probably everyone else. Keep up the good work, you definately have a fan here in England. Sincerely Rebecca
Rebecca Beaber <rbeaber@hotmail.com>
Northwood, Great Britain - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 12:50:37 (EST)
GREAT SITE
CLIFF KALASH <CJKALASH@IX.NETCOM.COM>
WHEELING, IL USA - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 00:29:38 (EST)
I am a combat veteran. My step father in law is a WWII vet who served in Iow Jima with the 4th div Marines (see next entry). He would like to locate some old buddies. If anyone can help please contact me at my email address. I can supply 3 names he is looking for. Below is a little about my background. I have been thru PTSD counseling and can share with anyone who is interested in that issue.

God bless every vet who has ever served their country.

Don Pageler

THE USS LIBERTY STORY

On June 8, 1967 the USS Liberty was attacked by the Israeli Air Force and Navy. The Liberty was a converted World War II transport (victory class) ship armed with 4-50 caliber machine guns. She was traveling at 5 knots 13 miles from shore off the Gaza Strip.

Without warning, the Israeli Air Force Mirage fighters strafed her, resulting in 820 rocket and cannon holes topside. After the fighters came Mystere bombers dropping napalm. While the Liberty crew attempted to fight the fires the Israeli Navy sent 3 torpedo boats after her. They fired 5 torpedos, leaving the Liberty with a 40-foot hole in her starboard side. When the smoke cleared 34 Liberty sailors were dead and 171 were wounded. This represented 2/3 of the 294-crew members.

The attack started at 2pm local time. At 2:05 the 6th Fleet received a distress call from the Liberty. At 2:09 the USS Saratoga scrambled a squadron of fighters to come to her aid. Half way through the estimated 15-minute flight the White House ordered the planes recalled. The torpedo struck the Liberty at 2:35 when 25 of the 34 sailors died.

Still today the crew has many unanswered questions. The Israelis admit they had identified the Liberty at their control center 6 hours earlier. The Liberty was in International waters. The Liberty was flying the US Flag, had its name largely printed on the stern and its letter designation on the bow of the ship. During the attack when the flag was shot down, the Holiday flag (7x13ft) was raised in its place. The Israelis claim to have mistaken the ship for the El Quseir which is only 1/4 the displacement of the Liberty. The topside configuration of the old tramp steamer (El Quseir) and the intelligence ship (the Liberty) loaded with communications antennas did not look alike at all. The then Secretary of State (Dean Rusk) can not believe this was a mistake because it involved combined (air and naval) forces. The Israelis say they came out to find the ship that shelled the shore the previous day. Even a Cub Scout can tell you can not shell the shore 13 miles away with 4-50 caliber machine guns. The Israelis say they thought they had us on radar traveling at 30 knots. The top speed of the Liberty was 18 knots and the El Quseir was 14 knots. In fact the Liberty had not exceeded 5 knots while on its station. In addition a declassified top secret State Department Report (obtained through the freedom of information act) claims the attack was not a mistake. A Lt. Commander in the Judge Advocate Generals Office has written a paper seriously questioning the court of inquiry. The Israelis say no flag was flying. All the Liberty sailors' topside claim it was. The Court found the flag must have hung limp on a windless day. The ships log (windage logged every half hour) stated their was 12 knots of wind. Only 8 knots are needed to fly a flag. Why did the White House deny the 6th fleet the opportunity to come to our aid?

Lyndon Johnson's book "The Vantage Point Perspectives of the Presidency 1963-1969" left the reader with the idea the attack resulted in 10 dead and a few wounded. This is a long way from 2/3 of the crew. Why was Captain McGonagle's Congressional Medal of Honor presented in the Washington Naval Shipyard by the Undersecretary of the Navy, instead of at the White House by the President? Political groups in Milwaukee Wisconsin said that bringing up the name of the Liberty was anti-Semitic and the town of Grafton was wrong for naming a library after the ship.

Don Pageler
Survivor

Donald W Pageler <donpageler@earthlink.net>
Westminster, CA USA - Tuesday, December 29, 1998 at 02:07:56 (EST)


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

During the actual attack on the USS Liberty I was in the "Research Spaces"- below decks and saw none of the action. I could hear the bombs explode and the rockets as they would penetrate 2 or 3 bulkheads before they detonated inside the ship. As the ship radios were my responsibility I concentrated on ensuring that an SOS got transmitted. Since on their first strafing run the Israelis had concentrated on destroying all of our transmitting antennas, my radiomen were stringing new long wires during the attack. In retrospect we found that we had succeeded in getting an SOS to the Sixth Fleet but no assistance was forthcoming of which more later.

I was one of the fortunate ones, that torpedo detonated less than 10 feet from me but the explosion wrapped a steel bulkhead around me shielding me from the full force of the explosion. The twenty years accumulation of paint on the bulkhead also exploded under the intense heat and every square inch of my exposed skin was covered with burned paint. Since my condition was not critical I was med-evaced to the USS America. There excess burned paint was removed and my eyelids were lanced open having been seared shut in the explosion.

After I could again see, Radm Geis requested my presence in his cabins. He told me that since I was the senior Liberty survivor on board he wanted to tell me in confidence what had actually transpired. He told me that upon receipt of our SOS aircraft were launched to come to our assistance and then Washington was notified. He said that the Secretary of defense (Robert MacNamara) had ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier which was done. Radm Geis then said that he speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again MacNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago.

David E. Lewis
Lt Commander (at time of attack)

c/o Donald W Pageler <donpageler@earthlink.net>
Westminster, CA USA - Tuesday, December 29, 1998 at 02:07:56 (EST)


I first heard of your web site in November and just now got a chance to sit down and read the letters. The Internet is a great forum for telling this story and your presentation is among the best I've seen. But, there is an audience for your private thoughts. Please try to find a publisher and put these in book form. Now I'm going to try to find my copy of "The Good War" (Studs Turkel) and read it again... Sincerely, Tony Priborsky Lyons, CO
Tony Priborsky <tpribors@rmi.net>
Lyons, CO USA - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 13:08:19 (EST)
I have read every letter on the site and have thoroughly enjoyed them all. I plan to check in after every "next update" date to follow the progress of Pvt Art. Rose, thanks for all your hard work.
Carl Malberg <cmalberg@pacbell.net>
Sunnyvale, CA USA - Friday, December 25, 1998 at 20:00:07 (EST)
This is a really great web site. It brought back so many memories of my father who was stationed in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941. Dad told us that he had just come off duty when the Japanese planes started flying overhead and the only thing to do was dive for a foxhole. He and my mom met in the service. My mom was in the Women's Aircorp. She met my dad in June 1943 & married him in August of that same year. They produced 6 children and remained married to each other for 50 years.
Sherri Campbell-Mora <MoraSL@aetna.com>
Hatboro, PA USA - Wednesday, December 23, 1998 at 14:44:50 (EST)
I just wanted to say thank you for bringing me closer to my father, he has since passed on. He use to every year celebrate the invasion of Africa, a pledge he and his friends made long ago, to remember the ones that didn't make it. Reading your letters and the little information of notes lets me understand why my father would never talk about it. I know that he was in the "Army/Airforce" and maybe if I keep digging around I can find some more information on exactly where he was or the unit and see if anyone can give me any further information. Thank you once again.
Lynn McGlinsey Weathers <Imstormy@concentric.net>
Ft. Worth, TX USA - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 09:39:21 (EST)
Eldest daughter of private Art.
Patricia Pranger Strady
FtMitchell, Ky USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 20:10:19 (EST)
OUTSTANDING!
CCM (Ret) DICK RUSSELL <chiefrussell@earthlink.net>
MIDWEST CITY, OK USA - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 16:44:34 (EST)
I admire the bravory of all veterens who fought and those that died for us to protect us all and future generations. May they never be forgotten. My grandfather lied about his age and was in a motorcycle message unit in France in WW I. He was lucky and later became an International V.P. of the Operating Engineers providing the first medical, dental, eye and retirement benefits to their members. Soon all unions where asking for the same thing. He helped to make the world a better place for all working people every where. It may have never happened had it not been for a friend he met while in the service that set him up on a construction job after the war. He was only 15 when he had joined the Army.
John Grote <wwwjpg@webtv.net>
Bonney Lake, wa USA usa - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 04:53:26 (EST)
I am (barely) too young to have any first hand knowledge of WW2. I do have what I think is a good understading of the War however, as I am an avid reader of factual books on that War. (Also, I am also a Vietnam Vet.)

That said, please allow me to say resounding "THANK YOU" to all of the REAL Pvt. Ryans, and Capt. Millers who will read or be told of my comments. I have read so much about what so many of you had to endure (thank you Stephen Abrose) I don't think society has or will ever be able to repay you for what you did.

To your families, another "Thank You", to ALL the Ryans, the Millers, and the Sullivans whether your family paid the price in the limelight or in virtual obscurity. God will surely have mercy upon you all when you make the final muster.

Thank you!!!
Dennis Johnson <djohnson34@earthlink.net>
Gilroy, CA USA - Thursday, December 10, 1998 at 22:53:33 (EST)


I am looking for some pictures of Roy Rogers entertaining soldiers during WW2. Do you have any suggestions?
Bruce Whitmore <whitmore@yvn.com>
Yakima, WA USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 21:51:46 (EST)

A Note From Rose
Rose

A good place to start your search would be the official Roy Rogers - Dale Evans web site.

As a sidenote, we were indeed saddened at the passing of Roy Rogers, a hometown hero, in 1998. One of his favorite Cincinnati stories was that the city plowed down his birthplace to build Riverfront Stadium in 1970. As a matter of fact, he claimed his home once stood right where second base is. So, baseball legends Johnny Bench and Pete Rose uprooted the bag, autographed it, and sent it to him.


I was fascinated to read your website and will be returning to it. I'm a 40 year old history graduate with an interest in WWII among other subjects. My own war heroes are my grandfather, who was a member of the groundcrew of the RAF, and my father-in-law, who was in Burma, but who is reluctant to talk about it. I shall definitely be recommending your site to my father, who was too young to take part in the war, but did his national service in the early 1950s, and shall show it to my father in law when he visits us at Christmas. Once again,thanks for a beautiful and moving site. Do you get many visitors to it from England ? Best wishes Christine Plume
Christine Plume <cmplume@aol.com.uk>
London , England - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 13:53:46 (EST)
Great site! Excellent content, great design. Gives a great first hand and real account of life during WWII for those us who didn't experience it and want to understand the time and that generation.
Andy Denne <denneeaj@muohio.edi>
Oxford, OH USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 10:53:39 (EST)
Your site is an excellent resource for teachers. My students created a web site on the homefront and this site was a primary link that we recommended. Thanks for all your effort. S.L.Hinman
Sheryl Hinman <hinman@misslink.net>
Fairview Park, OH USA - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 21:49:21 (EST)
I am only 12 and was first looking up the war for a report, but have found it very entresting and am trying to get more info. (-:
Tegan <modan@Transport.com>
Bend, OR USA - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 21:27:30 (EST)
Greetings. Iam just checking out your site because I have become very interested in WWII and can not learn enough about it. Both my grandfathers were veterens of the 2nd world war, but unfortunately Ive never apprecieted the courage and hardships the war actually demanded until recently. i hate to say it took a major motion picture instead of my many history classes to make me feel this way, but better late than never.
Gregory S. Nolan <gdnolan@gte.com>
Irving, tx USA - Saturday, December 05, 1998 at 01:11:33 (EST)
SEARCHING FOR A FAMILY MEMBER
I am looking for my grandfather, who was in the American Army stationed in Kingsclere, England from 1943-44. His name is Richard Ford and he would be about 73 years old today. He met Nora Beatrice Oram of Battens Avenue, Overton, and together they had a son, Richard Stanley Oram, born September 9, 1944.

If anyone could possibly point me in the right direction, I'd like to continue my search. Kind regards, Alan Harris
Alan Harris <Alan.j.Harris@btinternet.com>
UK - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 23:52:38 (EST)


Thanks for a wonderful tribute to Pvt. Art and so many other men like him. I'm going to share this site with my father who was raised in Henry, Tennessee (born in 1924), and served with a mortar squad in Patton's 13th Armored Division.
Steve McCain
Ponte Vedra Bch, FL USA - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 15:29:22 (EST)
COOL SITE AND THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANDREY KALASHNIK <KANDREY7@HOTMAIL.COM>
BINGHAMTON, NY USA - Thursday, December 03, 1998 at 14:32:20 (EST)
nice
a pagel <apagel@marshall.k12.ky.us>
USA - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 14:12:45 (EST)
I commend your efforts. I have a collection of similar documents from all nations. Very interesting.
Greg <Letrcolctr@aol.com>
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, November 30, 1998 at 19:30:05 (EST)
Not only is this a fabulous site, but the design is outstanding. I enjoyed visiting. Like a museum, but with alot of love!
Angela <goldloks@aol.com>
Nashville, TN USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 16:37:01 (EST)
Hallo Im glad that you are spending this experience with the rest of the world. it is important to remind everyone about the war and who fought it. Wars are the sadest move man can make in dealing with people and their problems. The world war II is something one must know and remember all his life. If one forgets the history he forgets him self, who he is and why he is human beging. Thank you for taking part in keeping history visible.
SDJ <sdj@rhi.hi.is>
Reykjavik, Iceland - Saturday, November 28, 1998 at 22:23:26 (EST)
Hallo Im from Iceland, if you have ever heard about it. Just wanted to say hello and its good to know that you got life out of there ok By
Sigridur D
USA - Saturday, November 28, 1998 at 21:07:52 (EST)
Wounded Dec. 1944 Huertgen Forest, Germany. Searching for squad leader Sgt. Horn at time of incident.
Harold Matson <bcooper@one.net>
Ft. Myers, FL USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 19:52:35 (EST)
My hero's are those who where the first to land on the beach of Normandy. After seeing the film by Steven Spielberg: 'Saving Private Ryan' My respect for those men has grown. Thank you for this page. This is one of the best pages I have ever seen. That is it's contents. Thank you again.
Gudmar S. Magnusson <gudmar@tolvuskoli.is>
Reykjavik, Iceland - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 13:04:11 (EST)
I was born at the end of the war but my mother and father and elder siblings lived through it in London UK , and in evesham and west wales. Reading others expreiences helps to understand what they went through that shaped their lives. Your commen about was here anything else to it but the holocaust is very relevant. In britain as I am sure in the rest of euurope the nazi bombs and bullets did not only target jews, they targeted any innocent person who happened to be in the way, and the bombing of London was a true terro tactic which the free world should be glad was unable to break the british spirit.

I would like to here stories of any nature from anyone who served in the UK and Europe during the war.

I hope this is not too long for your web page. Like everyone else I have great sympathy for the innocent jews who were trargeted by ethnic cleansing, but I feel all the holocaust stories belittle the millions of part jews and non jews who also suffered and died in this war, trying to help the victims of nazis, fascists and also communism. lets not single any group out, except to separate the fighters for freedom from the fighters against freedom, and lets also hear from all the ordinary people who lived during this experience.

My wife and I often think how lucky we were to have not had to go through the war, or to have to have lost loved ones during the war.(this of course is trrue for any war, not just WWII). great web page, unfortunately I have to go back to work, I hope I'll find it again. Best wishes to you. Clive and Julia Fransella.
CLIVE FRANSELLA <CLIVE.FRANSELLA@ASSETWORKS.COM>
SAN ANTONIO, TX USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 09:04:06 (EST)


My uncle Carl(Bunny)Davis was in the battle of the bulge he told a little of what happened
John McBride <jm2tkdr@webtv.net>
Mrtropolis, Il USA - Tuesday, November 24, 1998 at 00:28:24 (EST)
How come I can't get any more info on the Pvt after Nov 17, 1944? I'm particuliarly interesteed in his days during the "Battle of thee Bulge"
R.J. Gorman <rjg527@aol.com>
Enid,, Ok USA - Sunday, November 22, 1998 at 19:19:04 (EST)

A Note From Rose

Letters are added to our site 54 years to the day they were originally written. Look for letters written by Private Art during the Battle of the Bulge starting in December 1944.


GREAT! But then, I am a military history nut! Thank goodness for those that fought WWI and WWII! Who knows what the future brings with a draft-dodger pres and his staff of NON military clowns! Will check this out and pass on the info to toher Vets. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
DICK RUSSELL <chiefrussell@earthlink.net>
MIDWEST CITY, OK USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 21:02:17 (EST)


It was a good job today and a better job in 1941 thank you u put a lot of work and time into this
rjones <rjones5317>
cov., ky USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 16:13:39 (EST)
we are the couple you met at the airport.This is very nice and moving story.Our Country needs to show more RESPECT FOR OUR VETS.And do more to find MIAs.Thanks Art forbeing a part of our fredom Walter and Diana Troy
Walter & Diana Troy <rambler535@aol.com>
Covington, Ky. USA - Saturday, November 21, 1998 at 06:34:30 (EST)
To my "Favorite State Park Uncle" Congratulations on a wonderful website-You're Famous! Love, Your favorite niece-Susan
Susan Grau <svg223@aol.com>
Southgate, KY USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 20:24:07 (EST)
Excellent site!! Very well done.
Tom Elliston <tom.elliston@intel.com>
Hillsboro, OR USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 17:32:14 (EST)
This is my first visit to your site. We had a friend from Minnesota by the name of Bob McGraw, a co-pilot on a B-24. He was shot down and another aircraft reported chutes, but no one was ever found. Would you have any information on where to get more of the story?? Thanks, Bill Clark
William H. R. "Bill" Clark <whrclark@juno.com>
Saratoga, CA USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 17:21:47 (EST)
Hello! I´ve been reading your letters and am very greatful for having been able to. It´s fantastic you still have this old things and that you are gining us opportunity to feel the atmosphere back there.It seems to be so fhar a way,but just happened this 55 years ago.
Fridgeir Sigtryggsson <fsigtr@islandia.is>
Reykjavik, Iceland - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 14:16:46 (EST)
I have been in contact with Rebecca, she may have told you about my fathers web site displaying his art. I very much enjoy reading the letters. And here's a coincidence.. my mothers name is Mary Pranger and my father's mother was named Mary Pranger. I guess women named Mary like to marry Pranger men. My wife's name is Elizabeth so it's not exclusive. Jeff
Jeff Pranger <jeff.pranger@gte.net>
Sunnyvale, CA USA - Thursday, November 19, 1998 at 19:37:06 (EST)

A Note From Rose

This initial guestbook entry led to an interesting exchange with Jeff, where we learned more about his very talented father, Ed, plus a few more coincidences in our family histories.


I have read every word. What a great thing to do for Private Art and to everyone that was in the war or for people like me. My Father served in the Navy in the war long before I was born. I don't think any of his letters survived. By reading Pvt Art's letters I can appreciate how alone one can feel when surrounded by thousands. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this Web site Mike Hosick
Mike Hosick <mhosick948@aol.com>
Kennesaw, GA USA - Thursday, November 19, 1998 at 18:05:56 (EST)


I was six years old when all of my uncles returned from the war. Needless to say my aunts were very excited and happy to see them all. Fornutately all returned alive. One uncle was badly wounded in North Africa, recuperated, and then ran over a land mine in France. He survived, but his injuries were severe. So you leteers and this website sure do bring back many memories during that time. I was always interested in World War II history, especially what was happening at the home front. Thank you so much for this wonderful gift Sincerely, John Lasky
John V. Lasky <John.V.Lasky@solutia.com>
St. Louis, MO USA - Thursday, November 19, 1998 at 16:06:27 (EST)
hi there i would love to hear from you on a regular basis
bill leitch <billjean@iinet.net.com.au>
perth, wa USA - Thursday, November 19, 1998 at 07:27:24 (EST)
Thanks for sharing. My dad also fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He was in the 75th inf. He doesnt talk really to anyone but me about it I am trying to learn as fast as I can about all of it from him that I can, cause I know all of that history will be gone some day.
Mark Bain <mbain@blomand.net>
Mcminnville, TN USA - Wednesday, November 18, 1998 at 23:56:14 (EST)
I was doing some research for a paper on the Normandy Invasion when I came across your web site. I stayed for hours reading the letters to and from Art. They are mesmerizing and I would like to thank you for sharing them with the world. I would like to ask if you have the letters in a single file and if I could download them to share with my class. Thanks Again
ED STRUTTMANN <WESTRUTTS@HOTMAIL.COMA>
INDIALANTIC, FL USA - Wednesday, November 18, 1998 at 22:02:31 (EST)
Enjoyed your website very much.I was a thirteen year old boy during this period. Had brother who went through WW2 in the field artillery serving in the 9th & 884 from 1943-45.He came back from the war without a scractch,but died 3 years after the war.
Horace E. Bryant <aubryant@sunnew.infi.net>
Myrtle Beach , SC USA - Wednesday, November 18, 1998 at 15:38:51 (EST)
Thank you for your excellent web side. There was an article about your web side in one of our national papers.
S.Eiriksson <sbe@isholf.is>
Akranes, Iceland - Tuesday, November 17, 1998 at 15:26:53 (EST)


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